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John 5:10-15 – Being one with Jesus

Updated: Aug 9

In John 5:1-9 we are told of a lame man at the pool of Bethesda.  We translate that the man was going there for “thirty-eight years,” as if his whole life had been spent laying by the pool.  In reality, what is written is “triakonta kai oktō echōn en tē astheneia autou.”  The presence of the kai should be read as a marker of importance, not a conjunction with the word “thirty.”  That which is important to grasp is “eight years in to this infirmity [frailty, weakness, sickness] of himself.  To read this in this light, the man was “thirty” years of age and since the age of twenty-two (his adult years) he had been going to the pool to await an angel that would “stir the waters.”


Jesus asked the lame man if he “Desire you restored to born anew?”  In the response made by the man, he addressed Jesus as “Lord,” which must be read as important, due to the capitalization and that word Kyrie being set apart by commas.  After this address, it seems the man explained to Jesus that he did not have someone (a “man”) to take him into the water when it stirred.  What is written says, “a man not I possess.”  This should be read as the lame man saying he is “not a man” that “has” the strength or ability to go to the angel. 


This is a statement of his being “not a human” alone to make himself be restored and reborn.  To then continue (after a comma mark) by saying, “in order that when has been troubled this water,” this says the man admits having no inner strength to resist troubling times of life, where “water” represents “when the emotions have been stirred.” 


He then added (after a comma), “he might have put myself into this pool,” where the subjunctive Aorist speaks of the past failures to be healed being due to that lack of assistance.  He then said, “into who now I am going to be,” which says not having assistance means being lame.  Finally, the lame man said, “another above of me descends.”  That says the lameness comes from demonic spirits “descending” from “above” into the man’s soul-body, keeping him from rising off his mat and being healed.


To understand this response made by the lame man, when asked, “Desire you restored to born anew?” says he did desire to be healed of his weakness.  However, this desire kept him always emotionally troubled, so his soul allowed demons to keep him lame.  This needs to be read as if EVERY READER of these verses in John’s fifth chapter is likewise lame and continually led by “another” or “one different from” Jesus, “which” is spiritual (“above”), but demonic, causing one’s soul-flesh to “descend” or “go lower” from “falls.”  This means reaching the bottom of the barrel is when one seeks divine assistance.  From all the failures at the pool, the lame man kept coming back; and that was a sign of his faith, with his words a testimony of his repentance.


Verse 9 contains a period mark after Jesus told the man to “Arise, Awaken,” or “Rise up” (rather than “descend”) and “lift up your bed.”  After telling him to “follow” a divine “Lord,” John said the man did as Jesus instructed.  The period mark then led to John adding, “Existed now the Sabbath day.”  This leads to the Pharisees (the “Jews” of “Judea”) calling the man out for working on the Sabbath, by carrying his bed roll.  He said he was told to do it, which is a statement that he thought the one who told him to be cured was one like them. 


When they asked who it was that told him that, he did not know the name Jesus, so he turned to point him out, but “Jesus had conveyed self away” or “slipped away.”  Instead of being able to point Jesus out, a “crowd” or “of rabble of existence” had appeared “in to this quarter” of Jerusalem.  That needs to be grasped as intended to mean that the lame man (now healed because Jesus was within him, raising him up healed) could not point out “who” it was that gave him orders.  The whole conversation was spiritual, taking place with Jesus as this identified as “a certain angel that stirred the waters” and “carried the man’s soul into the pool” of salvation.


In verse 15, a capitalized Meta begins, which many translations show as “After.”  According to Strongs lectionary summary, this word means “(properly) denoting accompaniment,” or “amid, with which has joined.”  To see this as a statement that Jesus did not go and find the man “After these things finds him in the temple,” but “Joined with these men [the lame man healed and Jesus] obtains of him this Jesus in to this sacred place.”  That says the soul of Jesus is in him, when he “finds Yahweh Salvation [the meaning of the name “Jesus”] has made his soul-body a “temple” unto the “Lord.”


It was at that dawning that the voice of Jesus said, “You beheld” or “You have seen.”  This is an important (capitalization of Ide) statement that the formerly lame man had “Seen” the path to Salvation and repented his sins that made him “feeble” and “weak.”  This led the voice of Jesus to say, “restored you have been reborn.”  It is then (after a semicolon) that the man was assured, “no longer you sin.”  Jesus then added (after a comma), “in order that no more evil to your soul-body something it might be born.”


Verse 15 begins by stating, “went away this man,” where there is no capitalized first word, as would be expected of a new sentence.  This can certainly imply the “man went away” (from a physical “temple”), but the deeper meaning says the man that was lame from “sin” “went away” and “departed.”  As such, “this man” that had been “troubled” and “emotionally stirred” by the ways of the world that caused him to be demonically possessed, seeking salvation was no more. 


This then begins an important next focus, introduced by the word kai, That says, “he declared” or “announced to them Jews” or “Judeans” (the Pharisees) “concerning that” (his having been “restored” and “reborn”) was because “Yahweh Saves” ("Jesus").  In that important (capitalized) statement where “Jesus” makes that known, the Pharisees would have only heard the name, not the meaning behind the name.  So, when the “restored” and “reborn man declared Yahweh Saves” through “him being this having cast out” his “infirmity” and entered “of him” so he was “restored.”  Nothing here says he ran and told the “Jews Jesus made him” carry his bedding on a Sabbath.  He proclaimed forgiveness of “sin” was due to “Yahweh Saving” souls that repent.


It says "Jesus" spoke to the "Jews" as the healed lame man, because the soul of the man healed was joined with the soul of "Jesus," the Son created by Yahweh to "Save" souls in that manner of divine possession (forbidding demonic possession that causes lameness).



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